Episode 100

Published on:

27th Mar 2022

You Are a Human Being, Not a Human Doing with Nataly Kogan

Burnout has become one of the most talked about workplace and life topics, and its impact is far-reaching. But too much of the conversation is focused on the problem vs. what we can actually do to break free from burnout.

In her new game-changing, self-illustrated book, THE AWESOME HUMAN PROJECT: Break Free from Daily Burnout, Struggle Less, and Thrive More in Work and Life Nataly makes a compelling case that while challenges in life are constant, struggle is optional. She offers us proven science-backed and engaging methods to help us break through the cycle of “daily burnout,” as she defines it -- methods which have already transformed over a million people and counting. Nataly’s book is intensely personal and written as a response to her own journey as a refugee who viewed struggle as a way of life. After achieving tremendous success in the corporate and startup worlds, Nataly suffered a debilitating burnout, which taught her a powerful lesson: You can’t give what you don’t have.

We are delighted to have Nataly on for our 100th episode and our final guest for the first quarter of 2022.

Find Nataly here, or at happier.com.

Time Stamps:

3:09--Why Nataly and her parents fled the former Soviet Union in 1989

8:20--How Nataly went through a debilitating burnout

10:40--Nataly's experience with startups and struggling, and the difference of challenge

15:12--Getting emotionally fit, and how Nataly found her way

18:20--How Nataly realized she wasn't just her brain (and learned to talk back)

22:40--The five ways to keep emotionally fit (in a nutshell)

29:00--For people who are moving into burnout in a pretty deep way right now

34:00--Normalizing self-care as a priority at work

38:45--You don't need to burnout to learn, but you probably need an interruption

41:41--Playing it forward and asking, "How do you want to experience your life?"

45:15--What Nataly hopes you'll takeaway from her book

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The Big Self Podcast
The Enneagram at Work
For the first two seasons, Shelley and Chad discussed everything from burnout to productivity to self-awareness. Now the duo deep dives into all facets of the Enneagram, all packed in the form of practical, actionable insights. For leaders and team-builders in the business world, as well as those practicing the Enneagram on their own.
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Chad Prevost

Dr. Chad has advanced degrees in creative writing, literature, and theology. Being married to a psychotherapist has been another education. A workshop leader and entrepreneur, he has started and participated in writing and literary arts communities in New York, Austin, Atlanta and Chattanooga. He also has experience writing as a journalist for startups in tech and logistics. He is the author of several books of poetry, as well as interactive-fiction for youth. Over the years, he has innovated writing processes to foster reflection and insight, narrative strength, and authentic voice.